DK3. “What is Population Health?” with David Kindig

Podcast #3
What is Population Health?

Dave discusses the evolution of his definition of population health to his most cited 2003 paper and clarifies ongoing confusion with the terms “public health” and “population health management”.


  1. Kindig D, Stoddart G. 2003. What is Population Health? Am J of Public Health 93(3): 380-383.
  2. Kindig D. 2015. What Are We Talking About When We Talk About Population Health? Health Affairs Blog April 6. 1377/forefront.20150406.046151



DK2. “The Story Behind the Book – Purchasing Population Health” with David Kindig

Podcast #2
The Story Behind the Book Purchasing Population Health

Evans and Stoddart 1990 Field Model – Used with permission
Evans RG, Stoddart GL. 1990. Producing Health, Consuming Health Care. Soc Sci Med 31(12):1347-1363.

Dave explores with Sanne the seminal, Canadian influence and how his sabbatical intellectual paralysis in York England almost resulted in no book. He reminds us of the only italicized sentence in the seminal Evans and Stoddart 1990 paper: “A society that spends so much on health care that it cannot or will not spend adequately on other health enhancing activities may actually be reducing the health of its population.”

Kindig DA. 1997. Purchasing Population Health: Paying for Results
Chapter 1. Purchasing Population Health: A Vision
Chapter 2. Taking Our Temperature:  How Healthy Are We?
Chapter 3. The High Cost of Health Care: Are We Getting the Most for Our Money?
Chapter 4. Measuring Health Outcomes
Chapter 5. The Multiple Determinants of Health
Chapter 6. Can Rationing Be Rational? Balancing the Determinants of Health
Chapter 7. Managing Boundaries
Chapter 8. Different Populations, Different Needs?
Chapter 9. Making It Happen
Chapter 10. The Case for Action, The Price of Inertia

References for the Podcast:
1. Evans RG, Stoddart GL. 1990. Producing Health, Consuming Health Care. Soc Sci Med 31(12):1347-1363.
2. Evans RG, Barer ML, Marmor TR, editors. 1994. Why Are Some People Healthy and Others Not? The Determinants of Health of Populations. New York: Aldine de Gruyter.
3. Kindig DA. 1997. Purchasing Population Health: Paying for Results. University of Michigan Press: Ann Arbor, MI.

DK1. “Once Upon A Time” with David Kindig

Population Health: the Unfinished Journey with David Kindig
Episode 1: Once Upon A Time

Dave discusses his South Bronx roots of seeing “health” vs only healthcare, and how an unfavorable, chance encounter with the Chair of Pediatrics changed his career forever.


Kindig DA. 1992. The Health Care System Should Produce Health. On Wisconsin September/October. p.25.

Evans RG, Stoddart GL. 1990. Producing Health, Consuming Health Care. Soc Sci Med 31(12):1347-1363.


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2.16 Population Health + Epidemiology Counts or Conceptual Clarity Related to the Field of Population Health

What exactly is epidemiology and how is it different from population health? Why do sub-fields like social epidemiology exist? In this crossover episode, which we realize must sound like a nerdy jam session, with Epi Counts co-host Ghassan Hamra, we riff on our perspectives of the fields, how they are similar and different, including some spicy hot takes on various controversies and subfields. We’re not sure if we actually answered any of the questions above but we had fun talking and hope that you enjoy listening to our discussion.

2.15 Meet our Hosts Special Episode Part III: Mike Esposito

Closing off our “Meet our Hosts” series we’re joined by Mike Esposito, Assistant Professor of Sociology at Washington University in St Louis. Join us as we learn about his path from Missouri-to-Seattle and back, why he picked Sociology as a field and his brief dabble with political sociology, and growing up as a chess prodigy.

2.14 Meet our Hosts Special Episode Part II: Aresha Martinez

We continue our “Meet our Hosts” series with co-host Aresha Martinez-Cardoso, an Assistant Professor in the Department of Public Health Science at the University of Chicago. Aresha gives us insight into how her work has been inspired by her own life growing up in immigrant communities in California and reflects on the early wins and challenges of her career so far. We also get to learn about her attempts at getting on reality TV.

2.13 Meet our Hosts Special Episode Part I: Darrell Hudson

This episode kicks of our “Meet Our Host” series where we interview our fellow co-host to share more about their work, life, and passion for population health. To kick us off we’re joined by Darrell Hudson, Associate Professor in the Brown School of Social Work at Washington University in St Louis. Darrel shares more about how his life growing up in Detroit has informed his career, working on early research on stress and health at Morehouse, and his secret comedic powers.

2.12 Food for Thought with Epi Superstar Lisa Bodnar

Nutrition is critical in the production of health and health inequities across the lifecourse and in utero. We were fortunate to have Epidemiology Superstar Lisa Bodnar, Professor of Epidemiology at the University of Pittsburgh School of Public Health to join us for this episode. Professor Bodnar dropped lots of yummy, thoughtful nuggets for us to consume, ranging from funding one’s research agenda to maintaining one’s sanity while perpetually underwater  to developing a popular podcast—Shiny Epi People.

2.11 The DEI Boom 2-years Later with Dr. Courtney McCluney

Across the country, workers have become increasingly disengaged and dissatisfied with their work,  searching for other job opportunities or a break from work altogether in what economists are calling “The Great Resignation.”  At the same time, workplaces have attempted to  enhance worker wellbeing during the pandemic and expand DEI efforts. In today’s episode we’re joined by work and diversity scholar Courtney McCluney, an assistant professor of Organizational Behavior in the ILR School at Cornell University, to chat about her trajectory of research on work, where employers are succeeding and failing their workers, and how researchers can effectively share their research insights in the private space.

2.10 The spatial origins of population health (in-)equity

Space holds special importance in population health. Critical theories of inequity center geographies — from broad nation-states to more intimate neighborhood environments — as principal organizers of health and well-being. Still, despite a widespread understanding that “place matters” in health research, geospatial techniques for clarifying these relations are less widely used. In this episode of Sick Individuals/Sick Populations, we welcome on two leading geospatial scientists — Drs. Marynia Kolak and Peter Chen — for a timely chat on the importance of place for health (including how this relationship has accelerated recently, in face of COVID-19 and environmental harms), as well as their use of and efforts to democratize geospatial techniques for health research.